14/05/10

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?

Proverbs 30:4 - Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?


This is one area where I have seen most of the Christians are totally confused. The understanding of the different levels of Heaven, earth, grave/sea and hell, and where does a soul/spirit go after death, when does a person believing in Jesus Christ enter Heaven and why God said not to speak to the dead.

People have taken man's word at face value without studying the scriptures. It was only when I found there were discrepancies between what was told to me and the scriptures that I enquired of the Lord on this matter.

I would not like Paul boast, nor will I compare myself to Paul. But like Paul was shown the levels of Heaven and creation as whole, so did the Lord show the same to me. It is not that I visited Heaven or was taken up in body. It is like the case of Daniel and John (Revelation), who were explained scriptures which they were meditating on, in visions using symbols.

It was only then that I became clear with this understanding I could also see the deceit which Satan was playing by misguiding God's people.

It was this understanding that explained me scriptures like Jesus not letting Mary of Madeleine to touch Him just after resurrection but latter allows Thomas to touch Him. Mary was one of the most loved by Jesus; people who do not understand about Heavens fall into the trap of Satan who points fingers on the character of Jesus and leads people to lose their salvation.

Also we see that in the Old as well as New Testament when a (good or believing) person died it is written he was gathered unto his people, slept with his fathers or went to sleep (NT in case of Stephen who was martyred).

If this matter is understood well many, many Christians will be delivered from the misleading by the beast (dragon and the beast / serpent and the young lion).

When you understand this you will also understand why Adam felt naked after he sinned, and what is the meaning of transfiguration. Also what working to one's salvation mean when it has already been given free by the sacrifice of Jesus?

God calls His Word Manna because like Manna (which in Hebrew means 'what is it' and looked like a mustard seeds but tasted unlike it) man has been seeing the Word as simple but yet not able to understand it. It is only when man tastes the Word like he did with the Manna, does man know there is a lot to understand of the Word and says What is it?. Only then the Spirit of the Lord will reveal it to him.


[ Prayer Starter ]
Lord God, your wisdom is beyond man's understanding. You wrote your Word and locked it, so that over the ages You will reveal it to man by your Spirit. You gave us the Spirit of Truth, Who reveals your Word unto us. O Holy Spirit open the minds of your people and deliver them from the snares of the evil one...

We make this prayer in Jesus' Name, Amen.


[ Reference Scriptures ]
2 Corinthians 12:1-5
1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient; but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.
3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth),
4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 On behalf of such a one will I glory: but on mine own behalf I will not glory, save in my weaknesses.

John 20:16-18
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turneth herself, and saith unto him in Hebrew, Rabboni; which is to say, Teacher.
17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene cometh and telleth the disciples, I have seen the Lord; and that he had said these things unto her.
19 When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had said this, he showed unto them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.

John 20:24-27
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and see my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and put it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Genesis 25:8
8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

Numbers 20:23-24
23 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the coast of the land of Edom, saying,
24 Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not enter into the land which I have given unto the children of Israel, because ye rebelled against my word at the water of Meribah.

1 Kings 2:10
10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

Acts 7:57-60; 8:1-2
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.

Daniel 12:9-10
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Luke 24:30-32
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

The Word of God was given free to us, therefore we should also share it freely with others. (All rights are with God)